Ask Scooby Forum – Down Again
This seems to become a continous theme: the forum is not around.
However this time it is due to a fundamental disagreement between Scooby and me, after which he banned me from the forum without prior warning, which I answered by removing the work I did on it over 800 hours.
Right now we are deadlocked and behave like two stubborn mules:
Just to make this clear: I only removed my work; all your postings, profiles etc. are still there in the database, because that stuff belongs to you guys.
Update: I tried to phone Scooby and talk this out with him, but didn’t manage to get him himself on the phone. Right now it looks uncertain if the forum might come back online, as in his very last email to me he told me that he was considering taking it down anyway.
Update April 26, 2011: I am no longer associated with Scooby or the forum.
Picture courtesy of Sebastian Toncu.
166 Comments
I see six mules in the picture. 🙂
Seriously. TALK to each other. I could say more but I think a good nights rest for both makes for calmer minds..
There are six mules because each of us is stubborn enough for three 🙂
Seriously, I just tried, CG, but I think you are right and things need to calm down a bit.
That I can see…
What is dodothewolfs name of facebook and msn and the same with Wolf.
Im trying to stay calm here but i cant belive you actually took down the forum.
Come one Evil. For the benefit of the forum community, work this out.
Blake, this whole situation is right now really, really bad.
I just want to mention one thing: The database that contains all you guys’ messages, profiles etc. is in place. That stuff belongs to you people.
What was the disagreement about?
Ok, I just pm’d you on yt…guess I should’ve checked the blog first..
Thank you so much for all of the hard, hard work you have put in to the askscooby forum.
Without all of your and all of the other moderators’ hard work me and hundreds if not thousands of others would be given into the hands of the slimy money-hungry bodybuilding industry and their broscience. I personally got my information from Vince del Monte (ick) up until I found Scooby and especially the Askscooby forum. I am so appreciative of your work.
It would be a travesty, a crime against fitness, to lose this excellent resource for which you gave blood, sweat, and tears to promote. No other fitness forum has such a friendly atmosphere and firm rules while keeping it all fun.
I hope you and Scooby are able to settle your differences and that your relationship won’t be hampered by this disagreement.
This is tomthedrumma from the forum and so the forum was probably backed up though right? Like its not gone forever?
Evilcyber: “I just want to mention one thing: The database that contains all you guys’ messages, profiles etc. is in place. That stuff belongs to you people.”
I like how you told people it wasn’t Cyber on Scooby’s FB page. Maybe you should have just not said anything.
I said nothing on Scooby’s FB page.
Sorry, replied to the wrong person.
Brink, we are behaving like idiots. And the bad thing is I know I’m doing it and I think Scooby does, too.
Then the best way to fix this is to talk and to do that with respect and intelligence. You have my support, Evil. =)
cool
me?
Dont get smart with me R Moore, I had no idea who it was and even if I did I wouldnt have said it, but I was just trying to pretty much help scooby in saying that it wasnt him, I wasnt the only one who said it wasn’t him.
Don’t get smart with you? Is that some kind of threat? LOL
Evil why were you removed as admin?
It was all in all a stupid misunderstanding.
I am really sorry for this!
Sad sad day indeed. What you guys know right now is good enough, don’t think you will get any more out of it 😉
If it’s a misunderstanding and you’re sorry, then you can restore it, right?
If we find an agreement, yes.
An agreement on what? Maybe we can help?
Come on bro. Let the men do business. The more you try to douse the fire the more it may grow. Leave it alone.
They (or at least Evil does) realize the problem, and I think Evil is going to take action to fix it.
What’s up Brink? It’s xX2BrothersXx
Sorry guys, Ill leavie it alone….
Err can we know why scooby banned you?
…april fools?
dress rehearsal or something of the likes
What happened? I’m really confused =\
The equivalent of two children in a sand box wanting to play with the same toy which ended up breaking.
EC GO TO BED and sleep on it!!!
Cooler heads will prevail in the end.
Hello Evilcyber,
Although I rarely posted, I was an avid follower and reader of the forum. It is disheartening seeing the forum go down.
I do not remember the exact names but, I was wondering if you have access to a post in the “exceptional reading section.” I started doing a routine by the_wolf? and it was posted there. If I remember correctly, the post talked about how to create our own routine. Specifically I started to follow his 3 DAWs split, where it cycled from upper,lower, ab/cardio, upper,lower, ab/cardio, break.
Would it be possible to send me a copy of his post or that routine?
Thank you,
drewchanng
hey, i might have a copy of it on my home computer, ill be home tomorrow so ill reply here if i find it and then contact u some other way.
-Greierusu1
Send it to me to buddy as many of his workouts as you can find their a really good guide.
I managed to salvage a copy of Wolf’s guide to creating a workout and I can e-mail it to anyone who needs it, just let me know.
Email it to me buddy
I am freaking out man 🙁
Dodothebird what about his posts.
Hey Hollis,
I am a regular reader of your posts 🙂
plz send me a copy of “Wolf’s Guide” to my email
juned.chhipa@gmail.com
I really need it….
jason_ov_rez@hotmail.co.uk
send me Wolfs post of designing a workout.
🙂
I also need dodothebirds post so bad. But i doubt you have that so dw.
No, I’m sorry, that was all I could get and it took me about half an hour to get hold of it. I was lucky to get that but that was probably the most important post on the forum so I’m extremely glad to have got that..
I’m e-mailing it you now.
If you could send Wolf’s guide please to drewchanng@hotmail.com , thank you Hollis.
To every member of the forums, I hope you all reach and surpass your goals.
Best of luck to you all,
Drewchanng
sorry, dont have it, thought it did but its was the power lifting one, if u want the powerliftign one e-mail me at danbloggerspot@yahoo.com
just say that u want the powerliftin one
Hey, I know you two have had a great disagreement, but please, as soon as possible try to find an agreement between you two. Evil, I know you are a great person so you wouldn’t have done this without reason, and im sure Scooby hasn’t either. But please try to fix this, this forum means so much to people, not only me but hundreds, upon hundreds of people. Thank you very much for at least reading this and please consider. -Greierusu1 (and most of the forum)
P.S. honestly, I already miss it…a lot 🙁
I surely hope you children sort this soon, this family is too big to kixk out into the street with $$ thieves, I`m sure you two realize how many now depemd om the forum. Both need to swallow a lil pride..best wishes..Oz
I hope there’s a way to restore it. It was the greatest forum. With all those friendly people and useful information. Best wishes, desKO.
was evil getting paid for his work on the forum?
Hope you guys can get over your differences, it was a great forum and with it gone also a lot of great information is lost to the members of the forum.
A lot of people also relied on it for motivation to work out through progress diaries, including me 🙂
Please get the forum back up running i don’t want to have to go to bodybuilding.com :P!!
Cheers,
Oli
Oli, I sure wouldn’t wish that upon you! 🙂
Yeh basically be understand and negotiate getting the forum back up is a must.
You cant get better knowlege anywhere else on the world in 1 place its much better than scoobys website as well.
Cause every1 has essential knowlege it cant be based on just 1 person like on scoobys website every1 is different.
Nope, no payment.
Hi Evil!
I really hope things works out between you guys, it is such a great forum! So many people learned a lot from this forum, including me, and many more will in the future.
I respect you both of more than you can imagine and really hope that you can fix this. Not just for you, but for all of us!
We REALLY need this forum on the internet.
I really hope this is sorted out, losing the forum would be devastating. Mostly because I would lose contact with a lot of you guys 🙁
There is more to it than just “we had a disagreement”
But if no, it sounds like you’re being pathetic because you got removed as moderator.
Free stuff where many people have put their hard work in and you have to just be a little bit over the top and remove the lot.
Maybe you are “deadlocked” but that’s because you basically took out a gigantic part of scooby’s life just because you’re whining about your moderator status…
Terry I practically ran the whole thing: setting up the server, installing the software, appointing and coordinating moderators, checking for spam… the whole she-bang. All my work has been pulled from under me.
I know you are upset and really, really hope we can find a solution.
Terry, he did get banned from the forum.
Evil did put in countless hours as a mod, I for one would be very annoyed if I got banned.
Unless there was a very good reason for why Evil was banned?
Man i hope this forum comes back. At first i was like, oh its an aprils fools joke, then i was like, please let it be an aprils fools joke.
Im not going to judge who was right or wrong because i wasnt there, and no one knows the full story.
The only thing i want is for you two to apolagise. Thats right, face each other, apolagise, and then make up. Shake hands.
I dont know what happened, but you both are men, im sure men can solve these kinds of problems. Sometimes people become reckless and things happen.
All i can hope for is that the forum comes back on. I dont know who is in the wrong.
I learned alot from that forum, ALOT, it was good. But i know its not the end man, cmon you cant seriously think this is the end.
It might seem bad right now, but im sure you both will make up somehow. Hopefully 🙂
I genuinely can’t believe this. You removed or suspended all that work and information, why on earth would you do that?
I mean, obviously, I’m annoyed, but this has happened to me before. I was a distinguised member of the Richard Dawkins Forum for years before he decided to delete everything. So I’m used to this kind of treatment. Well, I hope it gets back up because I liked talking to the people on it but I’ve been here before, so if not, looks like I’m on my own again and that’s fine by me. I don’t have to rely on other people who let me down that way.
i agree, if what you are saying is true, then i think thats horrible in its own way.
Rude as it may sound, the forum wasnt just evils and scoobys. If it wasnt for all of us, not just moderators like dodothebird, but the little people, this forum would have been little over nothing.
Where does the community go now?
You both are men, yes thats right, evil and scooby are both men, the time to act like children as long gone. Think of others.
Many times i myself have been demodded.
You are absolutely right, Hamid: What made the forum a great place and filled it with life was you people.
All I can say is that I have seen many forums, but this was the best community I have ever witnessed.
Is there ANY WAY, ANY WAY, you can resolve this. Please tell us the situation behind this. We are just as much invovled as you guys are.
As you said, you agree with me that the forum is ours just as much as it is yours. So i think we have a right to know whats happened.
Please just resolve whats wrong and bring back the forum!!! Please!!!!!!!!!
Hollis whats your facebook and email adress.
Its Gray fox I am absolutely catatonic.
Do you know wolfs and dodthebirds msn and facebook?
jason_ov_rez@hotmail.co.uk
My email buddy, do you know some of Wolfs posts his one on designing a workout is priceless imo.
Hmm, I was quite suprised when coming online today seeing that the website is down and for what reason… Almost a shock :/
I hope you two can sort it out – if not something that was build over many, many years is just gone.
BB.com are probably laughing about this already -.-
No matter what happens, think about the people (around 13.000?) who are also a part of this wonderful community!
Don’t let it die.
bodybuilding.com is stupid, full of roid junkies and hot headed idiots. Nothing beaqts scoobys forum!
I know, just saying 😉
Rubby… Where’s you on facebook? Elfor, LG, and a few other guys want to be fwends with you too
All I have so far is “Philip…” I needs a surname!
I don’t know. I actually don’t want to be on facebook :/
I’ve got my reasons, maybe I’ll change it soon… No idea. It’s too many social networks already to keep an overview 😀
Add me on MSN, friends!!
Mister_Rubby@freenet.de
I suppose I can’t judge or take anyone’s side as I wasn’t there and don’t know the full story but I’ll say this, There is always a solution to an argument if the two people want it to be solved but if they don’t its rarely possible to find one that is truly suitable to both and lots of times leads back to problems. If you haven’t take some time to just cool off before talking and when you do just remember that many people, including myself loved what you, Scooby and many others built and would hate to see that lost because of two people’s situation when many others are involved.
Hope you both can find a solution that works for you both.
JKMan89
You guys are the best. You both have given a lot of your time, and all the members on the forum are for ever grateful for that.
I know you two are going to sort this out.. Even great people like you guys, do argue… Some argues goes to actions without thinking (not that I don think you guys wherent thinking 😛 ).. I know you where pissed (and maybe still be pissed), I would have been myself. And I too would have removed my work, or demanded money for it…. But later, I would regret it…
Just my thoughts..
Thank you guys for making a GREAT forum. It will get back up. I know it.
– Elffor.
Ninjuries here, currently with no forum to call my own. 🙁
Guys, you’ve no idea how helpful the forum is. I’m sure yourself and Scooby are aware you’ve created an entire community which spans the globe and does an enormous amount of good! Everything positive you’ve both said about the forum is correct, and I’m ALSO almost physically sad it’s not there anymore… Didn’t realise just how much the positivity around the place helped me get on the weights each time…
PLEASE take your time and resolve your differences somehow. This won’t be my most eloquent post ever because I’m still reeling a little bit – I just got up and had hoped somehow to see everything cleared up by now!
Long story short lots of people need you guys and lots of people will in future too. You’ve helped and changed a bunch of people who would have come unstuck otherwise, and we are prepared to wait I’m sure until what needs to be settled is settled, but please don’t drop what’s become the best online cmmunity going.
All the best guys. 🙁
Nin
And, to add my voice to everyone above, yourself and Scooby have worked like demons for years on all of us and the community we had was built on your efforts. As sad as we are, we’re all I’m sure even more grateful for all the work in moderating, reading, filming and supporting for free what we all had. HUGE huge thanks guys. 🙂
I myself have a backup of every excellent topic ever made (at least the ones worth saving :P).
Very disappointed in how things turned out. I hope you can solve the issues and get together again, despite what has happened in the past.
This is Danny (not dannymc or danne, or whoever, but Danny)
Greetings to all of you!
Mate! Your progress diary was awesome and I will miss it! What is your facebook name?
Daniel Slowacek ^^.
My progress diary was the thing I’ve put the most work into (after my website maybe). I was shocked when I realized that I had no backup of all the memories 🙁
It is a shame mate. Checking out your progress diary every few days was one of the best things for me on that forum. I hope everything gets resolved!
+rep nin…geez 1/2 way way thru a 2nd bottle of red lol how quickly we stray with boredom. There must be some way to start negotiating evil, what about restoring some of the site as a good will gesture ??
I’m starting to wonder if money is behind this.
Absolutely no disrespect to you, Evil. I could understand how so much work with no recompense would be tiring to the point that this would happen.
Maybe what we need is a small, not annoying, donation asker on the site every now and again. Sort of like Wikipedia does every year.
By the way, this IS Brink from the forum.
how about we start ask evilcyber? or something similar :p
Hey evil I sent you a message on your youtube account can you please check it out as you can, its really important. I hope your ok and stuff.
Cheers
whats the disagreement about
Hi Evilcyber. Out of my own curiosity, what is the misunderstanding between you and Scooby? Either way, I believe this will blow over in time. You two are both intelligent adults and can fix this issue in time. I am pretty sure neither of you want to sacrifice all the time and effort you put into building such a great site.
Now I know why they call you EVILcyber :p
Anyways, good luck and all..hope to see the forums up-and-running in the near future.
Give the man some respect and space. Without him, most of the forum wouldn’t have been there in the first place.
NOT meant as an insult.
agreed…
As I understand it the situation goes like this: Scooby bans Evilcyber without any notice, Evilcyber in turn takes back all the work he did, Scooby than takes this as an insult and closes the forums saying its sabotage.
If Evilcyber where just an average member id see this taking of information back as childish, but his not an average member, he was one of those unseen “elements” working behind the scenes making sure things run properly.
In respect to his choice and considering the fact that each member is allowed the right to his own work if you ever feel like it Evilcyber, I can help you with a new forum and I also have a few web design skills.
For anyone reading my post, don’t take this wrong the reason I want to see a forum back on-line is so that “WE” the community do not have to suffer from the lack of that treasure cave of information and guidance.
“WE” the community are “Ask Scooby Forums”. Yes Scooby did put in hard work and did provide us with the forum, but in the end the forum is just a meeting place. Whether its “Ask Scooby” or “Ask Evilcyber” I don’t care. I just want the community to be back together.
Cheers
Mark
yea but what the hell got him banned?
Scooby banned Evilcyber for a reason that has not been disclosed so far. Evil in turn removed (not deleted) all of the work he did on the forum.
does anyone have the password to the Scooby and my relationship post?
Of course some people have, but it’s password protected for a reason! No need to spread the PW 😉
Evilcyber had an important role and vital part in the community if he was to be banned I think we should have been informed in one way or another about the reason by Scooby himself in a post or something, if it was a personal reason well than he didn’t have to ban him like that.
And regardless of the reason lets sit here and think logicly who did the more damage?
– Evilcyber who just removed his information without deleting it or any other piece of info on the forum?
– Or Scooby who upon seeing Evilcyber did this, closed the forum totally cutting us off from everything else that remained on the forum.
Also most of what Evilcyber posted we had all ready read and learned, so the biggest hit came from us not being able to access our current topics and issues which was done by Scooby closing the forums not by Evilcyber taking away his info.
Also I’m not sure how many of you felt but when I read that about the forum being sabotaged first thing that jumped in my mind was that everything was deleted by someone, digging deeper It wasn’t so.
I have a deep respect for Scoobys work but also for Evilcybers work they both dedicated time and effort, as to who did more, I don’t care to me they both worked hard.
I plainly some visible facts about the actions both of them took and how the actions affected us.
Mark
My email is holliswilliams@hotmail.co.uk if anyone wants it. I think this kind of thing is pretty much inevitably with a big forum with lots of controversial topics. At some point, there is a fundamental disagreement between two or more people who run it, they get pissy with each other, someone says fuck it and presses the ”Delete Forum” button and that’s the end of it.
This can’t be it. Besides it wasn’t about any of the controversial topics. It was a personal disagreement and this should never have such an impact 🙁
@Danny: It sounds like you know a little more about the disagreement than we do?
You don’t need to tell us what it is, but I just wanted to know if you knew.
I was joking about that scenario some time back….
But I dont think it was that simple… I’m guessing there is money(no offense) or promotion involved…
Just a guess…
True but in this case no one pressed the delete forum button, in fact some just did:
Example: Cut from forum / paste in word file on desktop
Someone else did press one button it was the “Close Forum Completely Button”
I agree, “business is business” pleasure is pleasure you don’t mix the two, what if the CEO from a heating plant just decided to close the plant down cause he had an argue with his wife, should everyone suffer from cold? I don’t think so.
Whatever it was,when it affects more than 2 people its not personal any more. The fact Scooby started the site and forums was personal because HE started them, what hurts me is he acts so quickly without realizing that closing the forums is not a personal decision its a public one, we put our lives in there as well, I logged on daily to see what was wrote new and I’m sure others did too.
When you create or help start a community like this, you are responsible for it especially if you put so much hard work like Scooby did it showed that he really cared about it yet he just closes it like that.
Id really like to see the forums back up, i started bodybuilding by taking tips from the ask scooby forums. I rarely posted there but i read the forums every day and been doing so for almost a year. I wish the ask scooby forums go back up but if they dont it would be nice if someone could make another Forum because there was such a great community on the ask scooby forum and it would suck if it was destroyed in a couple of hours for an argument between 2 people.
Well I’m ready to help with some new forums if Evilcyber feels like it as I’ve been reading nothing has been deleted. All that happened was Evilcyber took the work he did and Scooby closed the forums because of this so nothing has been deleted.
Hopefully they’ll sort things out. If not, well, things fall apart when the centre cannot hold, not sure what else we can do.
Scooby put a post up on his blog less than a month ago about the possibility of charging people a small amount of money (for charity) to use his website. I would be personally against that and I am guessing this disagreement had something to do with that.