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		By: Steve		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Mar 2017 10:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks for this! After watching her video every bit of my sceptical mind was screaming bs!! Next thing I googled was Magda Havas debunked and that led me here. 

Thank you for taking the time and writing this up and doing it so well.  Dr. Havas is doing her best to feed nonsense to already overly scared parents and health nuts. Thanks for believeng in actual science and properly performed experiments and studies.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this! After watching her video every bit of my sceptical mind was screaming bs!! Next thing I googled was Magda Havas debunked and that led me here. </p>
<p>Thank you for taking the time and writing this up and doing it so well.  Dr. Havas is doing her best to feed nonsense to already overly scared parents and health nuts. Thanks for believeng in actual science and properly performed experiments and studies.</p>
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		By: Howard		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Howard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2015 15:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://evilcyber.com/the-rest/havas-wifi-research/comment-page-1/#comment-5817&quot;&gt;evilcyber&lt;/a&gt;.

I believe this link should now be: http://journals.lww.com/psychosomaticmedicine/Abstract/2005/03000/Electromagnetic_Hypersensitivity__A_Systematic.10.aspx]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://evilcyber.com/the-rest/havas-wifi-research/comment-page-1/#comment-5817">evilcyber</a>.</p>
<p>I believe this link should now be: <a href="http://journals.lww.com/psychosomaticmedicine/Abstract/2005/03000/Electromagnetic_Hypersensitivity__A_Systematic.10.aspx" rel="nofollow ugc">http://journals.lww.com/psychosomaticmedicine/Abstract/2005/03000/Electromagnetic_Hypersensitivity__A_Systematic.10.aspx</a></p>
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		By: Mary Thomas Watts		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mary Thomas Watts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2014 14:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://evilcyber.com/the-rest/havas-wifi-research/comment-page-1/#comment-29176&quot;&gt;evilcyber&lt;/a&gt;.

Small towns are very forgiving of their eccentrics (and I&#039;m being generous with the term). I would suggest cases like this call for way less tolerance.]]></description>
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<p>Small towns are very forgiving of their eccentrics (and I&#8217;m being generous with the term). I would suggest cases like this call for way less tolerance.</p>
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		By: evilcyber		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[evilcyber]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2014 14:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://evilcyber.com/the-rest/havas-wifi-research/comment-page-1/#comment-27878&quot;&gt;Mary Thomas Watts&lt;/a&gt;.

I hope Wilmington is happy to now get proper protection from EMF ;)]]></description>
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<p>I hope Wilmington is happy to now get proper protection from EMF 😉</p>
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		By: Mary Thomas Watts		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mary Thomas Watts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2014 14:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://evilcyber.com/the-rest/havas-wifi-research/comment-page-1/#comment-11354&quot;&gt;Lasse Hillerøe Petersen&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;Dr.&quot; Alale lives in Wilmington, OH, and just today the Wilmington News Journal ran a &quot;news release&quot; about her affiliation with Columbia University. I suspect that the news release did not come from Columbia. A couple of years ago, she claimed an affiliation with the Cleveland Clinic. When the Cleveland Clinic heard about this, their legal department had a few things to say.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://evilcyber.com/the-rest/havas-wifi-research/comment-page-1/#comment-11354">Lasse Hillerøe Petersen</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;Dr.&#8221; Alale lives in Wilmington, OH, and just today the Wilmington News Journal ran a &#8220;news release&#8221; about her affiliation with Columbia University. I suspect that the news release did not come from Columbia. A couple of years ago, she claimed an affiliation with the Cleveland Clinic. When the Cleveland Clinic heard about this, their legal department had a few things to say.</p>
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		By: evilcyber		</title>
		<link>https://evilcyber.com/the-rest/havas-wifi-research/comment-page-1/#comment-11369</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 May 2013 14:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://evilcyber.com/the-rest/havas-wifi-research/comment-page-1/#comment-11354&quot;&gt;Lasse Hillerøe Petersen&lt;/a&gt;.

Nothing much I can add to that, beside that I just looked up Rhoda Zione Alale and, well, she and Dr. Havas should get along just splendidly.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://evilcyber.com/the-rest/havas-wifi-research/comment-page-1/#comment-11354">Lasse Hillerøe Petersen</a>.</p>
<p>Nothing much I can add to that, beside that I just looked up Rhoda Zione Alale and, well, she and Dr. Havas should get along just splendidly.</p>
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		By: Lasse Hillerøe Petersen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lasse Hillerøe Petersen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 May 2013 20:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I stumbled upon your blog while reading about &quot;dirty electricity&quot;, after a friend had asked me to hear this podcast: http://prn.fm/2012/12/06/women-unseen-dangers-dirty-electricity-homes-120712/?utm_source=rss&#038;utm_medium=rss&#038;utm_campaign=women-unseen-dangers-dirty-electricity-homes-120712#axzz2TCLvTt83

I am speechless. This &quot;Dr.&quot; Rhoda Zione Alale is possibly the worst crackpot I have ever heard. And she even has the nerve to claim to have been nominated for the Nobel Prize in physics!!! Outrageous. 

People like Magda Havas and Rhoda Alale are dangerous, spreading their insane mental pollution to gullible persons who may truly suffer from various symptoms, and believe this crap instead of getting proper help.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stumbled upon your blog while reading about &#8220;dirty electricity&#8221;, after a friend had asked me to hear this podcast: <a href="http://prn.fm/2012/12/06/women-unseen-dangers-dirty-electricity-homes-120712/?utm_source=rss&#038;utm_medium=rss&#038;utm_campaign=women-unseen-dangers-dirty-electricity-homes-120712#axzz2TCLvTt83" rel="nofollow ugc">http://prn.fm/2012/12/06/women-unseen-dangers-dirty-electricity-homes-120712/?utm_source=rss&#038;utm_medium=rss&#038;utm_campaign=women-unseen-dangers-dirty-electricity-homes-120712#axzz2TCLvTt83</a></p>
<p>I am speechless. This &#8220;Dr.&#8221; Rhoda Zione Alale is possibly the worst crackpot I have ever heard. And she even has the nerve to claim to have been nominated for the Nobel Prize in physics!!! Outrageous. </p>
<p>People like Magda Havas and Rhoda Alale are dangerous, spreading their insane mental pollution to gullible persons who may truly suffer from various symptoms, and believe this crap instead of getting proper help.</p>
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		By: evilcyber		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2012 23:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://evilcyber.com/the-rest/havas-wifi-research/comment-page-1/#comment-5809&quot;&gt;HH&lt;/a&gt;.

If you are a physicist, then it seems to me you are not very familiar with how a representative sample is chosen.

The link you provided does not point to a paper, but just an article that references some papers, of which most have been superseded by more current research or aren&#039;t even closely related to the subject.

As for people who say they are &quot;more susceptible&quot; to EMF - well, under blind or double-blind testing conditions, they failed to tell when and when not they were exposed to it:

http://www.psychosomaticmedicine.org/content/67/2/224.abstract]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://evilcyber.com/the-rest/havas-wifi-research/comment-page-1/#comment-5809">HH</a>.</p>
<p>If you are a physicist, then it seems to me you are not very familiar with how a representative sample is chosen.</p>
<p>The link you provided does not point to a paper, but just an article that references some papers, of which most have been superseded by more current research or aren&#8217;t even closely related to the subject.</p>
<p>As for people who say they are &#8220;more susceptible&#8221; to EMF &#8211; well, under blind or double-blind testing conditions, they failed to tell when and when not they were exposed to it:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.psychosomaticmedicine.org/content/67/2/224.abstract" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.psychosomaticmedicine.org/content/67/2/224.abstract</a></p>
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		By: HH		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2012 19:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Here are some more studies 

http://www.whale.to/b/cherry6.html#Introduction:__

I find it amusing that you call physicists &quot;scientists truly qualified on the subject of radiation&quot; with respect to effects on human health and I have a physics degree myself. Physics knowledge imparts very little knowledge regarding the effect of microwave radiation on sensitive electro-chemical beings (humans.) 

You dismiss the possibility that RF has detrimental effects as highly unlikely based on one meta-analysis that actually states: &quot;at certain RF radiation exposure conditions, there were statistically significant increases in genotoxicity for some end points.&quot; Besides, there are much more than just genotoxic effects on the human body. 

This is a very complicated subject and modulation types can cause a big difference in outcomes. Also, certain individuals are much more susceptible to the effects than others. A sample of one hundred individuals may not have a susceptible subject in the sample. A confirmation follow-up study may be opposite because it does. A small dose can be beneficial, while repeated doses over time are detrimental. RF exposure is cumulative, and like tobacco, the true health effects may not manifest for another decade.

75% of industry-funded studies show no health effects from microwave radiation, but the opposite is true for non-industry-funded studies. Is that industry-funded science good science? Much of it has been shown to be full of flaws, but that is always overlooked because it got the results that industry wanted. It&#039;s money that matters in this world, in case you hadn&#039;t noticed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here are some more studies </p>
<p><a href="http://www.whale.to/b/cherry6.html#Introduction:__" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.whale.to/b/cherry6.html#Introduction:__</a></p>
<p>I find it amusing that you call physicists &#8220;scientists truly qualified on the subject of radiation&#8221; with respect to effects on human health and I have a physics degree myself. Physics knowledge imparts very little knowledge regarding the effect of microwave radiation on sensitive electro-chemical beings (humans.) </p>
<p>You dismiss the possibility that RF has detrimental effects as highly unlikely based on one meta-analysis that actually states: &#8220;at certain RF radiation exposure conditions, there were statistically significant increases in genotoxicity for some end points.&#8221; Besides, there are much more than just genotoxic effects on the human body. </p>
<p>This is a very complicated subject and modulation types can cause a big difference in outcomes. Also, certain individuals are much more susceptible to the effects than others. A sample of one hundred individuals may not have a susceptible subject in the sample. A confirmation follow-up study may be opposite because it does. A small dose can be beneficial, while repeated doses over time are detrimental. RF exposure is cumulative, and like tobacco, the true health effects may not manifest for another decade.</p>
<p>75% of industry-funded studies show no health effects from microwave radiation, but the opposite is true for non-industry-funded studies. Is that industry-funded science good science? Much of it has been shown to be full of flaws, but that is always overlooked because it got the results that industry wanted. It&#8217;s money that matters in this world, in case you hadn&#8217;t noticed.</p>
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		By: evilcyber		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Nov 2011 19:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://evilcyber.com/the-rest/havas-wifi-research/comment-page-1/#comment-4173&quot;&gt;Mike Z&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks for the heads up! At this point, nothing she says should really surprise me anymore.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://evilcyber.com/the-rest/havas-wifi-research/comment-page-1/#comment-4173">Mike Z</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks for the heads up! At this point, nothing she says should really surprise me anymore.</p>
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